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Old 15th June 2017, 17:32

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It has burned for 10-11 hours now but hasn't collapsed. 9/11?
Yes, as soon as I saw the vid feed, I knew that 9/11 truthers would grab onto this with glee. I didn't see the whole report, though; how many jumbo jets full of jet fuel struck this high rise, exactly?

None, you say? Okay, then. 100% irrelevant to 9/11.


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Bit late, yet my sincere condolences to all those who lost dear ones in that tragedy.
My deepest symphaty goes to England who recently struggles with tragedies.
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The body count now stands at 17, but some have expressed fears that the true number may be significantly higher.

It will take some time before it can be ascertained why the fire spread so rapidly.

So far many experts agree that the newly installed cladding may be to blame: the gap between it and the original walls could have acted like a chimney flue, carrying the flames all the way to the top, and setting fire to the various apartments along the way.

Also, this cladding is made of aluminum, but its core was made of flammable plastic rather than a fireproof material.

One thing's for sure: there are many questions to be answered, and the Prime Minister has ordered a public inquiry, which is a big deal here in the UK.
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For those who don't know what cladding is:

Time for Londoners to get a lynch mob together:

Yes, I am aware Britons are all prim and proper and gentlemen and lady like, but this is how we do things here in the USA when we are pissed off at the big man!



Wiki already has a page on this tragedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

How do they post stuff so quickly and have the information necessary to fill up a whole page and sub pages?
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Thanks Namcot for links to articles.
We can only hope this tragedy will give impulse to legal regulations banning ACM cladding pannels with flamable polyethylene core.
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In one of those articles I've posted above, it said that there are several other residential towers in London and UK that have those same cladding, installed by the same company.
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It seems that the recently installed cladding is the #1 suspect for the rapid spread of the fire but the lack of a sprinkler system undoubtedly contributed to the failure to contain the fire.

After the 2009 fire I referred to in my previous post, one recommendation contained in the Coroner's report was that sprinkler systems should be installed in all residential tower blocks. The inquest lasted for 11 weeks and examined the causes of the tragedy in exhaustive detail. A report commissioned by the government came to the same conclusion in 2013.

The government has sat on that report for 4 years and done nothing - much to the very obvious exasperation of the Chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Fire Safety & Rescue Group who has been interviewed on the news in the last couple of days.

The retrofitting of sprinkler systems in occupied tower blocks has been costed at less than £1200 per apartment by the Callow Mount Project.

Callow Mount Project 2013 (PDF)

A report from the Chief Fire Officers Association stated:
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There are no cases on record where multiple fire deaths
have occurred in buildings with working sprinkler systems,
where those systems have been appropriately designed
for the intended purpose, have been properly installed
and maintained. The evidence also shows that no lives
have been lost in the UK due to fire in homes fitted with
domestic sprinkler systems
Report available here: Business Case For Sprinklers 2013

All new developements over 30 metres in height now have to be fitted with sprinkler systems. A back-of-the-envelope calculation of the cost of retrofitting sprinkler systems to all 4000 residential tower blocks (allowing for an average of 100 apartments per block) would be less than £500million. Contrast that with the official estimate of around £55billion for the construction of the High Speed Rail project that will cut the journey time from London to Birmingham by a mere 10 - 15 minutes.

The Prime Minister said yesterday that 'lessons will be learned' Why were the lessons of the 2009 fire not learned? What price a human life?
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I've heard the cladding is a vanity thing (I heard that on the news) and wasn't actually a necessary thing for the building.

Apparently there are other towers with that cladding on. I think they need to quickly work to removing it.

London (and other cities) have always been overcrowded, and they put people in these tower blocks to save money and space. I think they need to do a full health and safety survey on tower blocks. I know in the 2 towns next to me, both have towers (flats) in them, multiple towers.

There is an element of anger too. That this could have been averted. Residents representatives kept sending reports for things to be fixed but was ignored. One report even said they won't change it until a fire breaks out. Sadly thats whats happened.

I'm glad the government are now enacting a full enquiry in to this situation to see how it can be fixed and future lives saved. But make no mistake this is as much a psychological disaster too. There is now questions that need to be answered.

Added: It seems the cladding used on the buildings is actually banned in the US and Germany. http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/16/why-is...he-uk-6712578/
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The death toll is currently at 30 and it may rise to as high as 76.



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